#6: Living within just boundaries (and not just safe boundaries), with Joyeeta Gupta

Who is responsible for the climate crisis? And how safe is it actually for everyone when we keep within established planetary boundaries? Wouter Mulders and Neha Mungekar are very honoured to get to wrap up this season by discussing such questions with Joyeeta Gupta. She is a professor of Environment and Development in the Global South at the University of Amsterdam and a 2023 winner of the Spinoza Prize, which is like the Dutch Nobel Prize for science.We talk about the novels of Perry Mason being an early inspiration, about how she managed to make climate law interesting for a diverse group of students and about the relation between gender, wealth distribution and climate action.And Joyeeta wonders: how do we get to a storyline of more global equality? And why is it normal for engineers and pharmaceutical scientists to set standards and make recommendations, but not for climate scholars?Handy links: ‘Prestigious Spinoza Prize for UvA professor Joyeeta Gupta’: https://www.uva.nl/en/content/news/news/2023/06/prestigious-spinoza-prize-for-uva-professor-joyeeta-gupta.html‘Earth System Boundaries must include justice’: https://www.uva.nl/en/shared-content/faculteiten/en/faculteit-der-maatschappij-en-gedragswetenschappen/news/2023/03/how-to-include-earth-system-justice-within-earth-system-boundaries.htmlThe nine planetary boundaries: https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-boundaries/the-nine-planetary-boundaries.htmlFor more transition know-how and how-to, please go to https://drift.eur.nl/    Thanks to: Audrey Wientjes for voice-over, Marius Kooij for editing, Igno Notermans for producing, Walvisnest for music, Lieven Heeremans for all sorts of advice and all our DRIFT colleagues for support and inspiration.