David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH) on the ‘Post-SaaS era' | E1856

This Week in Startups is brought to you by… Vanta. Compliance and security shouldn't be a deal-breaker for startups to win new business. Vanta makes it easy for companies to get a SOC 2 report fast. TWiST listeners can get $1,000 off for a limited time at vanta.com/twist Embroker. The Embroker Startup Insurance Program helps startups secure the most important types of insurance at a lower cost and with less hassle. Save up to 20% off of traditional insurance today at Embroker.com/twist. While you’re there, get an extra 10% off using offer code TWIST. The Equinix Startup program offers a hybrid infrastructure solution for startups, including up to $100K in credits and personalized consultations and guidance from the Equinix team. Go to https://equinixstartups.com to apply today. Today’s show: DHH joins Jason to discuss a post-SaaS world and Once.com (2:29), the evolving landscape of remote work (21:31), navigating internal culture struggles at Basecamp (32:53), and much more! * Timestamps: (0:00) DHH joins Jason (2:29) David discusses his new SaaS alternative Once.com, which charges a one-time fee rather than a recurring subscription (10:44) Vanta - Get $1000 off your SOC 2 at https://vanta.com/twist (11:50) David's philosophy on copyrighting (20:17) Embroker - Use code TWIST to get an extra 10% off insurance at https://Embroker.com/twist (21:31) The evolving landscape of remote work (31:46) Equinix - Join the Equinix Startup Program for up to $100K in credits and much more at https://equinixstartups.com (32:53) The state of fundraising and DHH recounts Basecamp's internal culture struggles (49:03) Should AI progress should be accelerated or slowed down? (1:08:08) How willful exposure to hardship can build grit and resilience. * Subscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcp * Check out Once: https://once.com * Follow David: https://twitter.com/dhh https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-heinemeier-hansson-374b18221/ * Follow Jason: Twitter: https://twitter.com/jason Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jason LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis * Great 2023 interviews: Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarland * Check out Jason’s suite of newsletters: https://substack.com/@calacanis * Follow TWiST: Substack: https://twistartups.substack.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/TWiStartups YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/thisweekin * Subscribe to the Founder University Podcast: https://www.founder.university/podcast