The rise of the outsider. How self doubt is the most effective employee retention tool

Making things better and making better things - A podcast by Mark Shayler's podcast from the Woodshed.

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Steve Chapman is an artist. He's also many more things. This is a beautiful conversation about the value of the outsider, about art and why it matters, about how school sometimes isn't good for you. About hope. One of my favourites. So good that i'm planning a second with him soon.

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