Jon Ronson on free porn, anxiety and empathy

Gris meets the author and podcaster Jon Ronson (The Butterfly Effect, The Psychopath Test, So You've Been Publicly Shamed) to ask him why he’s drawn to secretive subcultures — from sites like 4chan to the Ku Klux Klan — and to discuss his latest podcast, The Last Days of August, and the ethics of reporting on the death of a young porn performer. Listen, subscribe, rate and review on Apple Podcasts. For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy