John Barclay: Leadership happens in your shadow

Sam Warburton is joined this episode by his old friend - and rival - former Scotland rugby captain John Barclay.  John represented Scotland at three World Cups, earning 76 caps in total after making his debut against the All Blacks in 2007. At club level, John played for Glasgow Warriors before making the move south to the Scarlets where he led them to the Pro 14 title in 2017.  John reflects on the culture shock of that move and the difficulties of adapting to a new environment. He also talks about being dropped by Scotland and working his way back into the set-up, the grind of captaincy, as well as the importance of managing and maintaining relationships with some of the biggest names in Scottish rugby like Finn Russell and Greig Laidlaw. To get in touch with the show, email [email protected] and for extra content search for ‘Captains with Sam Warburton’ on LinkedIn.  If you are listening on Apple and would like to listen to this episode ad-free, as well as getting access to Crowd's other sports shows, click here: You can also listen ad-free on Amazon music.  Music courtesy of BMG Production Music.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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Who doesn't love rugby? No man has played for England more than Ben Youngs. He’s also a scrum-half so he’s spent most of his 127 games chatting away to team-mates, opposition and referees. His mate Dan Cole also has over 100 caps, is still in the England squad, and has cult hero status thanks to his no-nonsense approach to most of life’s events. They’ve spent 20 years together at Leicester Tigers, toured together for the British and Irish Lions, and now podcast together every week. Throughout the Six Nations they’ll bring their ultimate guide to the championship, give you a behind the scenes tour of Twickenham, and tell you what really happens inside an England camp. They’ll occasionally have guests, and special correspondent Joe Marler will be on speed dial for whenever they need him.